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NASA-UAP-D2, Apollo 17 Transcript, 1972
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NASA-UAP-D2, Apollo 17 Transcript, 1972

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This document is an excerpt from the Apollo 17 Technical Air-to-Ground Voice Transcription, December 1972, released by NASA on May 8, 2026. It records three separate intervals during the mission in which crew members โ€” Commander Eugene Cernan, Command Module Pilot Ronald Evans, and Lunar Module Pilot Harrison Schmitt โ€” reported observing unidentified visual phenomena. On Day 0, Evans and Schmitt observed bright, tumbling, angular fragments drifting near the spacecraft during a maneuver. On Day 2, Cernan described difficulty sleeping, perceived streaks and a train-headlight-intensity flash between his eyes, and subsequently observed distant flashing, rotating objects he assessed as physically real rather than optical artifacts; Schmitt attributed similar observations to the separated S-IVB rocket stage. On Day 3, Schmitt reported a brief flash on the lunar surface north of Grimaldi crater and suggested ground controllers check seismometer data for a possible impact.

The document is notable because it preserves unscripted crew reactions and real-time attempts to identify the phenomena, with the astronauts themselves offering mundane explanations โ€” rocket stage debris, SLA panels, ice or paint fragments โ€” while also acknowledging uncertainty. Cernan explicitly distinguished the Day 2 object from nearby particles, stating "there is something out there" and "it is something physical in the distance." Mission Control attempted to triangulate the object using spacecraft attitude data. No redactions are apparent in the released pages. The record is significant within the UAP archive as contemporaneous primary-source testimony from trained observers in a controlled operational environment, with ground coordination documented in parallel.

Apollo 17 was the ninth crewed U.S. mission to the Moon, and the sixth to land astronauts on the lunar surface. This document is an excerpt from the Apollo 17 Technical Air-to-Ground Voice Transcription, December 1972, highlighting three periods in which astronauts reported observing unidentified phenomenon: a nine minute period on the first day, a three hour period on the second day, and a six minute period on the third day. โ€ข Day 00, Hour 03, Minute 34, Second 10 through Day 00, Hour 03, Minute 42, Second 29: o Command Module Pilot (CMP), Ronald Evans, reported observing โ€œvery bright particles or fragmentsโ€ drifting and โ€œtumblingโ€ near the spacecraft as it maneuvered. Lunar Module Pilot (LMP), Harrison โ€œJackโ€ Schmitt, described the phenomenon as looking โ€œlike the Fourth of July.โ€ The astronauts speculated that the phenomenon may be attributable to ice or paint fragments dislodging from a separated component of the spacecraft (S-IVB) but characterized that assessment as a โ€œwild guess.โ€ โ€ข Day 02, Hour 18, Minute 42, Second 34 through Day 02, Hour 21, Minute 07, Second 05: o Mission Commander, Eugene A. Cernan, reported difficulty sleeping and described having observed โ€œsome sets of the streaks.โ€ He also described an intense light flashing between his eyes, describing its intensity as comparable to that of a train headlight and characterizing it as โ€œimposing.โ€ Over the next three hours, Cernan described observing several flashing, rotating phenomenon that he assessed as corresponding to physical objects in space rather than a purely optical phenomenon. LMP Schmitt also reported observing similar phenomenon, though he again assessed the source of his observation to be a separated rocket stage (S-IVB). At 02:20:55:22, Cernan reported observing two additional distant flashing objects, though he assessed them as Spacecraft/Lunar Module Adapter panels (SLA panel), another separated component of the Saturn V rocket. โ€ข Day 03, Hour 15, Minute 33, Second 25 through Day 03, Hour 15, Minute 39, Second 46: o At 03:15:38:09, LMP Schmitt exclaimed that he had observed a flash on the lunar surface north of Grimaldi (crater).
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Tape 5/2 CC LMP CC LMP CC 00 03 25 01 CC IMP 00 03 27 27 CC CMP CC CMP 00 03 31 55 LMP 00 03 34 10 LMP CC CMP CC LMP CMP Yes, we copied your vy and your EMS numbers, and we've got a number for you. Maneuver start time will be at 03 plus 33 plus 27. Okay, we got you. Maneuver at 03:33:27. That's affirmative, Jack. You guys didn't tell us we couldn't see anything going through the sunrise. (Laughter) Roger. 17, Houston. We're making plans here for a space- craft SEP time of 03 plus 43. 03 plus 43. Roger. IT Houston. We're copying cabia press of 5.9 this Roger. We - we just got it, Bob. Okay. Thank you. Frame 65 for the LMPs mag November November. Okay. We - we are maneuvering, Houston. Roger. We're watching it. Now we've got a few very bright particles or frag- ments or something that go drifting by as we maneuver. Roger. Understand. There's a whole bunce of big ones on my window down there - just bright. It looks like the Fourth of July out of Ron's window. Yes. Now you can see some of them in shape. They're very jagged, angular fragments that are tumbling.

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Tape 5/3 CC CMP CC CMP CC CMP CC CMP CDR CMP 00 03 37 34 CC 00 03 37 45 00 03 37 46 CC LMP CDR CMP Roger. They look like fluid of some sort? Not to me. They look like pieces of something. Roger. They're very bright. Jack, we'd like OMNI Charlie. Bob, for the most part, these fragments are not - or are tumbling at a very slow rate. I tried a couple of pictures of them - different settings. You may get an idea of what, at least, the patterns look like. Roger. I've got you. We're all ears on these frag- ments. Do you think you can figure out what they might be? Well, you know I - I don't know. There are a num- ber of possibilities. If you had some kind of a - I got the impression maybe they were curved a little bit, as if they might be - off the side of the S-IVB. And that's a wild guess - - Okay. RCS LOGIC is .. โ€ข - - ice chunks, possibly. Or maybe there's paint coming off of it. Roger. I noticed on one trip up the elevator last weak near one of the flags. I thought it was on the S-II, but it might have been on the S-IVB. Looked like it was peeling. Maybe that's what you've got. And the S-IVB maneuver is complete. in 1 minute. Okay. We'll set the old clock. Okay. And the - with the maneuver complete, the fragment field is essentially static, except very slight tumbling within the fragments.

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Tape 5/4 00 03 38 01 CC CMP CC CMP LIMP CMP CC CMP CC CDR CC 00 03 39 35 CMP IMP CC 00 03 39 53 CMP LMP 00 03 39 57 CMP IMP Roger. Cut in. Every once in a while, a fragment of considerably higher velocity than the others goes across my window. But that's very rare. Roger. Hey. that's that field of view I saw out my window. Jack, do you see it now? Yes โ€ข And, Bob. At least, there - there's no apparent relative motion between fragments. Roger. Understand. I'll take two pictures about a minute apart if I can. And it'll be Frame 70. Okay. Frame 70. And, Bob. This is Geno. My impression is that they are - flat, flakelike particles. Some may be 6 inches across. And, although there's no relative motion between the two, most of them seem to be twinkling. And I think, for the most part, they're all moving away from us. Roger, Gene. Thank you. Okay โ€ข We've got 0180 and O on the old thumbwheels. Okay. Roger, Ron. Okay. TRANS CONTROL is ARMED. ... two ARMED. CONTROLLER number 2 is ARMED. ... SECS LOGIC ...

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Tape 5/5 00 03 40 01 CMP 00 03 40 13 00 03 40 38 LMP CC CDR CMP 00 03 41 00 CMP 00 03 41 19 CMP 00 03 41 42 CMP LMP 00 03 41 55 CMP 00 03 41 59 CDR 00 03 42 12 00 03 42 19 00 03 42 29 CC CMP CMP LMP CMP CMP CDR CMP LMP CMP Okay. SECS IOGIC is CLOSED; SECS ARM are CLOSED; LOGIC POWER is ON. Okay. 17, Houston. You have a GO for T&D. Okay. A GO for T&D. Okay. We'll ARM the PYROs. And we'll hit the GDC ALIGN. And maneuver's complete. And 0180 and 0? On the GDC? No. It's just ... It's kind of diddling. Okay. DELTA-V in NORMAL. S-IVB, okay. Okay, switches are all set. Okay: 59:30. Okay. Let's start the DET. Tickity-tick-tickity, Houston. We're running at 59:30. Roger. Okay. Okay. That's LAUNCH VEHICLE SEP, push button. Okay. MC in AUTO. Next? SEPARATION, Houston. Okay, check the covers. other ones off. Okay. And check the They're all ... Okay, I'm going to start the - My gosh, look at the junk! up. Okay; there's 15 seconds. Pitch her Okay, we'll PROCEED on the - -

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Tape 46/4 02 18 41 11 CDR CMP 02 18 41 59 02 18 42 34 CMP CDR CC CDR CC CDR CC CDR CMP CC Okay. Is that it? Yes, I can get that, Gene. Okay, you want to take a picture of it firsti Okay, POWER ... Okay, stand by. 3, 2, 1 - MARK it. POWER switch OFF. Say, Bob or Stu. Roger. Go ahead. Okay, add - to ad to today. Not last night, but - I guess the first night I was in bed - I definitely saw some of these - because I had a hard time going to bed, to start with - I saw some of the same peripheral horizon-type things you said were not the type of data you were looking for; but I also saw a - some sets of the streaks. And probably the one most imposing thing I remember is - and the last one I remember before falling asleep - was the fact that there was a very bright spot that flashed right between my eyes like a very bright headlight - like a train coming at you, only with a flash. It's difficult probably to estimate the frequency of any of those because I was in a - sort of a sleep-hazy mode. Roger. But then, as today, I saw some that flashed and lit up the horizon and some that lit up peripher- ally; and I guess, as you say, that's a different kind of data, but I did see them there and they impressed me. Okay. We got all that, Gene. Okay. And it might be interesting to know I've never seen it before today. Hey, Gene, we appreciate all the data. We were just trying to make the data fit the curve; you know the old trick.

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- 02 18 44 40 CDR CC CDR IMP CC LMP CC IMP CC LMP CC Tape 46/5 Okay, I just wanted you to - just told them like we saw them. That's all. Roger. I will say one thing, though; no question in my mind but that they're there. Last trip I took, I guess I just wasn't looking for them or paying any attention to them. Maybe they were there and I ignored them because of other things. But they're there. Okay, all you flash bugs down there - or Ilash- bulbs I guess is the word - frame 50. I just took four pictures to show - two on the side and two on the bottom - to show the position of the ALFMED, and one of them of each set was focused on the ALFMED. The others were focused on the - the other set was focused on the struts. Roger, Jack. And when you don't have anything else to do, why don't you have somebody predict where the S-IVB I think I've got her spotted - behind us and above us with respect to the Earth and our travel from it. FIDO just went out and shot himself, but we'll get working on it. Oh, don't worry about it. Shoot. I thought you guys might have an idea off-the-cuff there. No, what's humorous on this, Jack, is they have really been working on that S-IVB impact point -, and they've really been - it's been a - a real difficult problem for them so far. I'11 tell you, I bet you Ron could give a star sighting on it (laughter). I looked at it through the monocular and sure looks like the S-IVB. Jack, we're not doubting you at all. We could probably start cranking it right now.

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Tape 46/6 02 18 46 46 CC CMP CC CMP cc CMP CMP CC 02 18 47 51 CMP CDR Jack, are you sto - you all stowing the ALFMED now or are you done? What's that, Bob? Are you all done with the ALFMED now, Ron? Yes, I've got to get it to - get the plate moved back down there yet. Okay, Ron - - ... get the blindfold off first so 1 can see what I'm doing. Roger. I just want you to know. We've got a real Long update coming up to you here on the LOI abort harts and that - and it's going to be, probably, a difficult readup. And you're the most familiar with the charts; you probably would want to take them. But whenever you want to take them, they are on - charts on page 3-81, 3-82, and then the cue card for LOI limits. Whenever you want to take them. It will be a lengthy one. Stand by, Bob. Let us get squared away from the ALFMFD; then we can get going on that. No, I don't want to hurry you, Ron. I just want you to know what - when - just get yourself com- fortable and be ready to take them whenever you It's going to be a lengthy time, though. Okay โ€ข Hey, Bob, I'm looking at what - what Jack was talking about; and it's definitely not a particle that's nearby because there is another one I can look at and get a three-dimensional comparison with. It is a - it is a bright object, and it's obviously rotating because it's flashing. It's way out in the distance, as I say, because there are particles that are close by and it's obviously not one of those. It's apparently rotating in a

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Tape 46/7 CC 02 18 49 02 CDR 02 18 50 13 SC CMP CC 02 18 50 58 CDR CC CDR LMP CDR CDR very rhythmic fashion because the flashes come around almost - almost on time. And it's as we look back at the Earth, it's up at about 11:00 about - oh, maybe 10 or 12 Earth diameters. don't know whether that does you any good, but there is something out there. Roger. We don't doubt it, Gene. And we might work out a set of gimbal angles or something here; maybe we can get a look at it through the optics. And I - I - I just want to emphasize that it definitely not - not one of these particles that tends to look like a star out there. something physical in the distance. (Laughter) Oh, yes. ... thing off. Yes, guess I am. Okay, Gene. If you can call up a NOUN 20 so we know the spacecraft attitude, and if you can reference the object you're looking at out of your window, with - with respect to body axis and let us look at your - your - give us a mark, somehow, and give us your NOUN 20s, we can try and get a tie-in and start locating - locating this object Okay, I'm looking it out - looking at it out the center window - the hatch window - and I'll give you a hack when it crosses the XX axis at the center window; and I guess it's up maybe 45 degrees. Okay, give us a hack and we're copying your NOUN 20s right now. Okay, Jack says pitched up about 30 degrees but - - No. 45, because - Yes, he agrees. I'11 It's 45 degrees pitched up, and give you a hack when it crosses the XX axis. Okay -

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Tape 46/8 02 18 51 32 CDR CC CDR 02 18 52 18 LMP IMP CDR CMP CC 02 18 53 10 CMP 02 18 55 24 LMP CC LMP 02 18 56 27 CC CDR MARK it. It just crossed through the - - Mark. We got it. - let's call it the XZ plane of the spacecraft. One unique thing about it, Bob, is that it's got two flashes. As it comes around in - in rhythmic fashion, you get a very bright flash; and then you get a dull flash. And then it'll come around with a bright flash, and then a dull flash. That's the side and - of the S-IVB - and then the engine bell, Gene. The commander doesn't think that I can see the engine bell on that thing. Roger, Jack. Is that with the monocular you're looking at it? He couldn't see the engine bell if he had 10 monoc- ulars. Okay. I've got the cable restowed now. Say again, Ron. And, Gene, where's your blindfold? ... Bob, couple of revolutions ago when I was looking at it, I had a much brighter view and I believe I was looking at it broadside. It looks to me like it may be flashing more or less end-on now. It's much, not - not as bright, although it's getting brighter. But it's not as bright now as it was awhile ago. Roger, Jack. ... we've been noticing that, I think, for about 24 hours or so. I just - hadn't put it together as maybe being the S-IVB. I thought it was just some other particle out there. Roger, Jack. Hey, Robert, what's the final Cowboy score?

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Tape 46/9 CC 02 18 56 53 CDR IMP CC 02 18 58 27 LMP CMP LMP IMP CC IMP CC CDR CC CDR Okay; I was just going to update that. The Cowboys von it 34 to 24. And by winning it, they wrap u the wild-card slot in the NFC; and so both Wash- ington and Dallas will be in the playoffs. Sounds good. Bob, that line of clouds I called a fir-tree pat- tern that swings up towards Hawaii - Hawaii, if you will - has - also has a mushroom pattern on the top. It has the appearance as if two major air masses - one going from west to east and the other form east to west - have converged along that line, and the joint movement of air at the interface being south to north. And up in the area of Hawaii, I think, it tends to mushroom so that the pattern then goes back to flow from west to east on the east side and from east to west on the west side. Roger. In a little while, we'll probably get a pretty good lo0k at a - what looks like a very concen- trated intense storm that, I think, is just - east - *** And then we'll put them. once we get updated a little bit. Yes, I'll get out of VOX in a minute. I was looking for the Flight Plan and stuff. And the little books. Say, Bob. Go ahead. Houston, 17. How do you read? Go ahead, Jack. Read you loud and clear. Okay, Bob, you want to update the LOI card and Flight Plan 3-82 and 3-81; is that right? That's affirmative. Which one do you want to start on?

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Tape 47/14 CC IMP cc IMP 02 20 55 22 CC CMP cc CMP CDR 02. 20 56 52 02 21 01 07 CC IMP And I'Il just confirm that the - that disturbance over the So - Solomon Islands is an awfully tightly wound little storm system. And right now, I finally have see New Zealand for the first time in a couple of days, for sure. And the South Island's got some, probably high cirrus over it. North Island looks pretty clear. That's the end that I can get right now. We saw you looking at Regulus there; we instead. Ron's been looking for the booster. And he called me down and asked me to look at the Earth. He's been holding out on me. Roger. Pass the torch of weather forecasting to Ron. Hey, Jack. I also have some words for you and Gene. Got some advice from the home front. thing to do with Ron in the future is to hook u & Baby Ben and a metal dishpan. It works every time, if you want to wake him up. No. I think that's not a good way. Ron, everybody's fine over at El Lago. They are doing great. Listening to every word. Very good, Bob. Thank you very much. Hey, Bob. We got two of those flashers out there. They could be SLA panels. I don't know. They're alike in intensity and pretty regular in the - in the intensity, bright and dim flashes they come out with, and they're widely separated. One is about the position we called at the first time; the other one is - oh, as I'm looking at the Earth, far to the left. Closer to the center window now. Roger. Houston, 17.

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Tape 47/15 CC LMP CC CC L.MP cc LMP CC LMP CC LMP Go ahead. Yes, Bob, what is your - analysis chart, if you have it - surface terms analysis chart show for Hawaii today? Stand by on that. Jack, according to the - - The reason I ask is that for using your term - Go ahead. No, go ahead on that, Jack. I was going to say, using your terminator time as a partial - mark for where Hawaii ought to be, Hawaii ought to be, it looks like that cyclonic circulation at the north end of the cloud bank I described, approaching that area, would be just about on the Hawa - Hawaiian Islands. I'm curious if they're getting some weather down there now. Stand by right now; I've got my weathernan right beside me here. Also, that major front we talked about last night as being east and south of Japan has progressed , maybe 20 degrees longi- And I'm making some guesses on exactly where Hawaii is. Roger, Jack. We've got nothing adverse in the Hawaiian area at all. Just a lot of winds, high and an per rac winds and surface winds and surface roughness, but we don't have any bad cloud area in the Hawaiian area. I'll get the Hickem sequence re- port here shortly, Jack. the - our zero-phas sant is now centered just a little south os th disturbance near the Solomon Islands. And I see no distinct change in the intensity of that zero- phase point over what I had talked about a couple hours ago.

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Tape 47/16 02 21 04 23 CC LMP CC IMP CC LMP cc 02 21 05 34 LMP 02 21 07 05 CC Roger, Jack. The Solomon Islands disturbance and everything is confirmed on this chart that I've got. It's very definitely confirmed in there. Okay. Well, it's a lot more obvious today than it was yesterday; but even then it was showing pretty strong circulation. It is starting to wrap up, look very much like Therese did yesterday. Roger. I'm sure of that. The one right off of Vietnam is also pretty tight, isn't it still? Well, we can't see that one yet. Okay. Australia in general is still very clear except in the northeastern portions where it looks like they have got scattered clouds; but it looks like a pretty night - over Australia. Roger. Looks that way from the satellite photo from the last couple days. Looks pretty nice down there. Right. Jack, in looking at the sequence reports for Hickam and Hilo and that area, it looks like they Just got their standard 3500 scattered, 4500 broken clouds, maybe a rain shower or two. But just their standard tropical fluffy clouds. END OF TAPE

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CC 03 15 33 25 IMP Tape 59/19 mare. Still looking at Oceanus Procellarum. And now, out window 3, up to the northwest, Grimaldi is starting to show up - a very obvious dark area within the highlands of that part of the Moon - and one of the darkest mare regions that we have seen on the - on the Moon. It's comparable, at least in the photographs, to that of Tsiolkovsky. Roger. Normally, of course, we think of the dark mare as being the younger basalt flows that - on the Moon, but in our case, of course, young means something on the order of 3 billion years or older. END OF TAPE

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Tape 60/1 03.15 33 44 CC LMP IMP 03 15 35 50 03 15 36 35 APOLLO 17 AIR-TO-GROUND VOICE TRANSCRIPTION CC CDR CC IMP Roger. For our interp - If we can extrapolate from the samples returned by other missions. Amazing how far over - now the highlands to the west of Procellarum are - still are bright, and the contrast between fresh craters and the normal high- land are very - are very obvious still in earthlight, particularly along the zero phase point with respect to the Earth. Rima Gamma now is - is coming a lit- tle bit closer to our oval track in the horseshoe in the - larger and more western end of it; the dark horseshoe is quite clear in this light. It's a west - or northwest-pointing horseshoe, as is the I think ion 1s going to have an excellent chance to stud hese light-colored swirls within the mare an We had some good views Crisium - Mare Crisium, and he should - if there is anything to be seen, he should be able to see it for - during the next few days. Okeydoke. Say, Gordo, something I just noticed here in work- ing with the GDC what-have-you. I - looked at the Pe gage, and in the Pz - Pe position, there is a continuous bias on it now of about, oh, Y percent, and if I switch to ALPHA, it goes to zero. We never saw that bias before this last burn. Roger, Gene. Hey, Gordy, I'm looking right up the western edge of the Procellarum mare where it contacts the - the - the high - western highlands of the Moon, and we're just about to fly a little bit south of Grimaldi. That edge is very irregular. There is no obvious indications that it - there are large basins that have been flooded by mare that have formed that edge, but, again, the topographic dis- tinction's possible in this lighter small. Now I'm starting to see that there are shadows in the craters.

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Tape 60/2 CC LMP CC LMP 03 15 38 09 LMP CC LMP CC IMP CC LMP 03 15 39 46 LMP cC Roger. That's the small craters. There, in the Mare Procellarun closest to Grimaldi, there are two arcuate rilles. Look like they are probably V-shaped in their cross section. I'm sure we've seen those on the photographs much better than I can see them here. Those - the rille patterns, though, do seem to project over into the highlands. Okay. To the north of that - to the north of that bay of mare. Just interrupt. Hey, I just saw a flash on the lunar surface! Oh, yes? It was just out there north of Grimaldi. Just north of Grimaldi. You might see if you got any- thing on your seismometers, although a small impact probably would give a fair amount of visible light. Okay. We'll check. It was a bright little flash right out there near that crater. See the crater right at the edge of Grimaldi. Then there is another one north of it. Fairly sharp one north of it is where there was just a thin streak of light. How about putting an X on the map where you saw it. I keep looking occasionally for - yes, we will. I - I was planning on looking for those kind of things. Starting to see the edge of Orientale, Gordy. Way off to the west. Hey, just yell, Gene, anytime you -- Gordy, to the north of Grimaldi there is a large basin that is about the same size but only incom- pletely filled with mere in its northeastern quadrant. The rest of it looks like a fairly ir- regular and hummocky floor material of some kind. Roger โ€ข